Let The Fire Burn (2013) Edit

A big monkey wrench?

A big monkey wrench.

A certain group of people, the law applies...

A clip and with a knife in the other,

A few had decided that they'd stay and not evacuate.

A lot of people know MOVE from what they may have seen.

A shot was fired going in this direction.

A small, vocal minority among us...

Abandoned homes pockmark the ghetto.

About a week ago?

About the only thing we can confirm for you at this point...

About two hours ago, 3:30 a.m.,

About, probably, 50 yards into the MOVE compound.

Absolutely not, sir.

Access over the roofs...

Action by police to evict MOVE could come at pretty much any time.

After a MOVE member was spotted on the roof

After the explosion, you saw that the bunker was still there.

Against the injustice that has been dropped on them...

All he can know is harmony, is unity, is love.

All I can tell you is that it was a huge blast.

All night long, an increasing number of firemen...

All of us, from all neighborhoods, from all walks of life...

All officials know at this point about his identity is that his last name is Africa.

All right!

All right.

All right. Was there any time...

Am I to assume that the bomb was dropped on MOVE people...

An incendiary device was dropped out of that helicopter.

An unknown number of heavily armed MOVE members continue at large,

And a small, urban group known as MOVE...

And ability to live in a neighborhood peacefully.

And able to take the water barrage and the bullets that flew in there this morning.

And after about five minutes of watching that,

And all of a sudden on their loudspeaker,

And also we understand that there was a direct

And any given summer day you have the children,

And as a pawn, we were caught in between.

And attempts to incite the police and myself to precipitous action.

And beat and bludgeoned...

And because the judge could not dispute it,

And behind me there's a raging inferno...

And by then inducing an amount of C.S. gas...

And destroyed 61 homes?

And do you know what happens to people who lie?

And do you know what they were made of?

And everyone else, to our disadvantage.

And fired, like, four or five quick shots.

And for the families of those who've lost lives.

And for the first time I realized that it was not a racial problem with MOVE.

And have all confidence that the mayor's going to be doing the right thing.

And he hopped over that and he started coming down.

And he said, I got you covered.

And I did hear over the radio that there was none.

And I didn't have an answer.

And I knew them to be more than MOVE people.

And I remember he didn't get a chance to put his hands down to break his fall.

And I remember him saying to me, I'll cover you.

And I said yes.

And I said, Yeah, okay.

And I scooped him underneath his left arm.

And I take it you're familiar with the sound of automatic weapons fire.

And I wanna thank you for taking all this time to come in here and chat with us.

And I wanna thank your dad, Mr. Ward.

And I was right on the left hand side of the helicopter right here.

And I was surprised when I entered the home...

And I went to the meeting expecting to see...

And I will tell you on Osage Avenue, it commanded the scene.

And I'm talking about a people...

And I've read scores of pages of reports and testimony.

And if not, why not?

And if there's any hope in this whole sorry situation,

And in front of me there are people who are saying come on out.

And in that regard, the city would be forced into doing one of two things,

And in the beginning,

And it has all been. All of it.

And it is found to be inoperable,

And it is found to be inoperable,

And it is my view that you can regard that...

And it was like a repeat over and over again.

And it was their contention that this baby had been killed...

And it's all going to boil down to a bunch of

And later, it was found that three week old Life Africa,

And Michael was subsequently given the name of Birdie Africa.

And my brother got just as much right to speak as you.

And neighbors have been told by police not to return to their homes for 24 hours.

And nobody, frankly, gave a damn.

And officer Mulvihill?

And onions. Did you all eat any meat at all?

And she goes over to the railing and reached over and tried to pick Birdie up.

And she said, Daddy, what is the man doing on top of the roof with a gun?

And she was hitting him on his back?

And shot and helmeted and kicked some more...

And sweet potatoes and onions.

And that it was a racial problem.

And that John Africa replied, Not at this time?

And that's the first time I realized officer Tursi was behind me.

And the big people were Theresa, Rhonda,

And the house was on fire? How about on the ground?

And then an adult male come out right behind them.

And then another group of people, that same law doesn't apply.

And then as you heard, about a minute and a half ago, another burst of gunfire.

And then I learned that unless you did everything that they wanted you to do,

And then I see Birdie.

And then they brought him back in, and then they locked the thing back up.

And then they opened the garage door and opened the cellar window.

And then what happened to Tomaso?

And then what happened?

And there's a whole different set of laws...

And they have no electricity.

And they indicated that they were displeased

And they just, you know

And they seem to be lined up at the ready waiting for something to happen.

And they were one and the same?

And this called for many contempts, many beatings in the courtroom.

And to be quite frank, I was sweating it out.

And was taken into custody.

And we saw We were led into a dark room,

And we saw what appeared to be the remains of a baby.

And we talked about what happened on the 13th of May?

And we were told that that bunker was destroyed.

And what did you all do?

And when this male pointed this rifle up,

And where did you go when you went downstairs?

And with the bullhorn, I read the message.

And you hear a thud,

And you will do things out of the norm.

And you're afraid that your house may be on fire.

Apparent confrontation with the radical group, MOVE.

Apparently automatic fire,

Are police guns, MOVE guns or other guns.

Are you certain it was a rifle and not a monkey wrench or something of that nature?

Around the same time, was there any, um,

As an approval of using the explosive on the roof, yes.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not a weapon.

As individuals and as human beings.

As it turned out, the police acted with precision and restraint.

As painful and necessary as this has been.

As soon as he went down in the water,

As soon as we find out what the explosion is, we will try to tell you.

As the cloud of tear gas, the haze, kind of begins to lift.

As to the apprehension and the amount of force that can be used...

As to whether or not the officers who were

As we face the coming days,

As you can see up the street, Tom, if you just pan up there,

As you know, Commissioner,

As you were about to say, the police are unloading, as you can see right now.

At 6:10 a.m., Mayor Rizzo finally, after 15 months of confrontation,

At 309 North 33rd Street.

At that meeting, I said to them...

At that time officer Trudel who was at the rear window.

At this point, I simply do not know.

Back to nature group were, frankly, a bunch of bull.

Because Frank beat his mother?

Because he does not like, or the neighbors do not like,

Because if this thing kicks off, you're going

Because of his carpentry, because of his simple way of living, and so forth.

Because of my beliefs, because of my views?

Because that camera can't take down something when you shake your head.

Because the judge had went to Harvard and Yale and Cornell...

Because they have not been inside this house.

Before something like this comes to this stage.

Before we call the first witness...

Between the groups' members and the Philadelphia police.

Birdie's in the driveway.

Bucket of water.

Bullets were going one right after the other.

But also pointed out to them...

But at one time does Ramona stop...

But Birdie fell back. He went back.

But Channel 10 technician, Fran Hardy reports

But I do not believe for one minute...

But I do not believe for one minute...

But I will say that, uh uh, we ran out.

But I'm talking about to the point of a weapon that can fire.

But if they come in here shootin' and killin' our women and children and our men,

But is it possible to describe a maniac, a profane, obscene, pornographic freak...

But it looks as though this is going to burn for a long, long time.

But it what they do that counts, not how they look.

But let me be clear.

But one of the other teams reported that they were receiving hostile fire.

But someone in the neighborhood complained to the police.

But that it was something else that I just did not understand.

But that's not necessarily so.

But the two deluge guns or sprinklers...

But they do have cars, and they have a telephone. Why?

But to live right next door, full blast in our bedroom.

But was basically the kind of snow on my television screen.

But we believe that this process is absolutely necessary...

But what happens when you have a confrontation?

But when MOVE wanted to practice their religion, people started talking about, uh,

By not vetoing it,

By the time it was over, six policemen reported injuries,

By virtue of the fact that MOVE had construction on the roof...

Calling for an investigation.

Can you say yes for us? Let me hear you say, yes. Yes.

Caused by the failure to resolve conflicting lifestyles in a peaceful way.

Children not eat cooked food? Do you know?

Chris, I saw Police Commissioner Gregore Sambor about 45 minutes ago,

Come on down with your hands up

Commissioner Sambor said to me.

Commissioner, could you tell us what the lessons were...

Concern? We knew it.

Controversy that has yet to be investigated.

Could you describe what you mean by the word the system, please?

Cover fireman as they position a portable deluge gun closer to the compound.

Crawls over and attempts to shield officer Ramp.

Debris flew all over the place. I don't know what that explosion was.

Demand for the city to take actions to provide them with relief.

Demolished, and it's used all the time in mining.

Did Conrad have a rifle or a gun...

Did he beat his wife?

Did she tell you that I said that?

Did the adults tell you to go downstairs?

Did the adults tell you what to do if you all got out of the house?

Did you all have meetings where you would discuss what to do if the police came?

Did you consider the MOVE organization to be a terrorist group?

Did you consider, sir, that at least in 1978,

Did you ever fire your weapons after the bomb was dropped, officer Mulvihill?

Did you ever think about leaving MOVE?

Did you give any instructions...

Did you have a concern...

Did you hear him cry anymore...

Did you hear him saying that?

Did you love them?

Did you observe any smoke or fire on the roof?

Did you see the child actually go back into the house?

Did you tell anyone that you wanted to leave?

Do something with it.

Do you believe this is a symbolic gesture,

Do you ever know what went on in those meetings?

Do you have any idea why that person may have gone back into the fire?

Do you have information concerning how many arrests occurred involving MOVE?

Do you know a police officer by the name of Delores Thompson?

Do you know what they were doing?

Do you know what those holes were for?

Do you know whether or not...

Do you recall telling her that your son Frank was ordered to attack you,

Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the

Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth...

Don't question the person tellin' the truth.

Don't question the person tellin' the truth.

Ended in a violent, daylong encounter...

Escalated tensions in the neighborhood...

First deluge gun goes out of control.

First, to disorient the people inside the house.

For the homeless families...

For the past four years, they have lived in the

Four more years, hell no!

Four more years, hell no! No more Rizzo! Got to go!

Four more years, hell no! No more Rizzo! Got to go!

From my point of view, sir, was that MOVE was a group...

From the back of a highway patrol car.

From the house safely.

From the people who live on 32nd and Pearl Street.

From their Powelton Village headquarters platform...

From, I guess, the oil out of the trees that they would drag up.

Get a shot with me. Get a sh

Get down, lady. Get down. Yeah.

Going in, everybody knew that MOVE would resist anything.

Goode said he's committed to removing MOVE from the structure.

Has apparently started a serious fire.

Has now been mortally wounded.

Have been trying to battle what is now a six alarm blaze.

Have you ever seen the pictures of May 20, 1977, at Powelton Village,

He fell?

He had stopped crying?

He had two officers taking him out, and then they started shooting again,

He ordered that the fire be put out.

He said let's let the bunker burn...

He stopped?

He was hit on the top of the head with a steel helmet...

He was on his knees, and he had Tomaso around his stomach like that.

He was telling them to come out.

He's hittin' him. He's hittin' him.

Hey, I wouldn't tell my strategy to you.

Hittin' him on the head. Kickin' him on the head!

How about the grown ups?

How did an attempt to arrest MOVE members become an inferno that killed 11 people...

How many bunkers were there on the roof?

How often would they have their meetings?

I in other words, I could hear sound and see muzzle flashes.

I accepted it, sir, as some of their rhetoric...

I am very much afraid you're going to have blood soaked streets.

I am, uh

I ask your prayers for our city,

I ask your prayers for our city,

I believe the child went back into the house.

I can hear you fine, Mrs. James.

I communicated to him that I would like to let the fire burn.

I determined later that that was not water at all...

I did not.

I did not.

I didn't hear nobody, and I just ran out of there.

I do not want to wake up tomorrow morning and find myself short one son...

I don't know how to explain it other than a sixth sense or something...

I don't know if anyone on this panel has ever had the responsibility...

I don't remember. As soon as he hit the water, I went.

I don't think we said anything other than come down to us.

I don't think you, from the way you've

I don't think you're gonna ask him that.

I don't want anyone to think that I'm insulting their intelligence,

I gave what was my first order of the day,

I got on my stomach,

I guess just as well as equipped as we were.

I had no idea what to expect in the alley.

I had no knowledge of an order to extinguish that fire.

I have as just as much right...

I heard a female scream, Don't shoot. We're coming out.

I heard rumors to the effect that my son had beaten me.

I heard shots being fired, and cops was in the alleyway.

I heard the testimony, yes, sir.

I hope that it's resolved quickly...

I interpreted it as a fall or stumble or whatever.

I knew a lot of those people...

I knew many of them by name, as human beings.

I met with 15 residents, uh, of Osage Avenue...

I must say that this tiny little flurry of activity...

I never thought that revolution consisted of revolutionizing myself...

I object. I think the witness, at this point,

I really don't. But you should, if you feel that it is relevant.

I remember as soon as I scooped him up,

I remember I went in underneath with my right hand,

I remember Ramona coming from the rear of the MOVE yard over the fence and down.

I said my brother was my brother.

I said, Tommy, here. Take my shotgun. I said, I'm gonna go get the kid.

I saw fire and stuff.

I saw initially a small fire on the roof.

I saw what appeared...

I see. Did you, uh When they holler at the children, what would the children do?

I stand fully accountable for the actions that took place tonight.

I think Believe it or not, I think you'll have to kill all of them.

I think it must be researched why the hostility was there.

I think that I was fully aware that it would, in fact, be used,

I think that, uh, what we really hoped for...

I think that's a pretty adequate description of the word terrorist.

I think there's no question there was, at least

I think we were in the law on an equal basis, if I'm correct.

I thought about a lot of things. But to sit here l don't know.

I thought about my kids.

I understand that. Did you see muzzle fire?

I want to tell you about this special commission.

I wanted to be able to somehow have tactical superiority...

I was scared to death. I just didn't wanna let that kid lay there like that.

I was very, very frightened.

I watched my wife many nights lay there in that bed and cry.

I would respond in the same way, Justice Kaufmann.

I wouldn't mind staying myself, you see.

I'm just saying that I'm trying to put myself in that person's skin.

I'm just trying to imagine myself in that situation...

I'm sure it's just destroyed, and it's just not fair.

I'm trying to imagine...

I've also heard rumors to the effect that

I've heard automatic Yes, sir.

I've learned one thing as a policeman. You never underestimate your opponent.

I've never seen it, but I've lived through it today.

I've, uh, been sitting here listening for many days...

If he is not taught that categorization,

If he is not taught that separation,

If it is relevant that my son beat me or whether or not he did beat me,

If police come in there with their hands, we'll use our hands.

If that plan relied solely on the ability of our equipment to knock the bunker off,

If the system can convict me of riot and conspiracy...

If they come in here with clubs, we'll use clubs.

If you don't have a hearing aid, I suggest you get one.

If you see something's coming, you're supposed

If you're going to have an explosion, you're going to have a fire.

If you're watching somebody or somebody falls...

In a blatant situation like that...

In a police raid.

In a sufficient concentration...

In everything from work habits to child raising, MOVE is revolutionary.

In terms of trying to offer a different point of view.

In the apprehension of and the prevention of the escape of forcible felons.

In the area of the 6200 block of Osage Avenue.

In the last several weeks, their actions have

In the place of that, all he can gravitate to,

Inadvertently, Birdie gets up.

Indicate the sound the best you can recall of those shots?

Indicating that gunfire is getting much, much closer.

Inserting the insertion teams on either side of the properties...

Involving certain police officers and Delbert Africa?

Is badgering the judge.

Is categorization, alienation, conflict.

Is it a confrontation? It most certainly is a confrontation,

Is really the first bit of activity that there's been here all afternoon.

Is suffering from second and third degree burns on his arms and legs.

Is that clearly, based on the nature of the shoot out we're seeing here this morning,

Isn't it true, Commissioner Sambor and fire Commissioner Richmond,

It did not turn out as we intended.

It just looked like something was completely engulfed.

It looks like the scene is set.

It never took place and I felt at that time that the MOVE people were being harassed...

It overlooked and overpowered anything you may you can imagine.

It shook the whole house up.

It sounds like automatic fire, Steve. There's quite a bit of it.

It was almost difficult, if not well nigh impossible,

It was an actual feeling. We could all feel it.

It was awesome.

It was not an order.

It was not automatic fire, if that's what you're asking.

It was the point which it became clear...

It was to be done by causing a diversion on the roof,

It's a very surreal kind of scene.

It's aimed, apparently, at the MOVE house.

It's because of that officer, and I wanna thank him.

It's been very quiet.

It's just like you said. What appeared to be weapons.

It's not a cult. It's an organization.

It's not right or something to that effect.

It's one thing to be two blocks away and hear it.

It's probably a rhetorical question.

It's unnecessary for all of that. I really think it's unnecessary.

It's war. This is war.

Its engine is on for the first time all afternoon.

Just 'cause he don't know what the extent of this is going to be, you know.

Just as a human being myself...

Just four minutes ago, they pumped tear gas in...

Just trying to get her out of the danger area where we are on the fringes right now.

Kids are afraid to walk to school.

Larry, for the first time, it's been quiet for several hours here.

Larry, this is becoming a very emotional scene.

Leading to tonight's situation.

Leapheart was asked how he felt when the verdict was read.

Let me tell you what's happened so far this morning.

Let's Let's come closer.

Life! Life!

Like it was going Bullets were going after each other. Like

Like it was just going after

Like it was.

Long live John Africa! it's the MOVE organization.

Long live MOVE! Long live revolution!

Looking as they did, but yet knowing more, in fact, than they did.

Ma'am, we're trying to find out what happened,

Mayor Goode appeared publicly for the first time since the siege began.

Michael Ward was, of course, no more a member of MOVE...

Michael, uh, you remember me from the last time you and I talked?

Might be in physical danger or that their lives might be in danger?

Mm hmm.

Mm hmm.

Mm hmm.

Mm hmm.

Mm mmm.

Mm mmm.

Mm mmm. Not us.

Mostly Caucasian people complaining about MOVE.

Motherfuckers!

MOVE did have some weaponry either in the house or nearby.

MOVE does not believe in technology. They use a wood burning stove for heat,

MOVE organization ever possess any weapons?

MOVE was harassed a great deal.

MOVE'S mood, I'm talking about bitterness now,

MOVE'S principle has never changed.

Mr. Lytton, I just want to make it clear in my mind so that I understand.

Mr. Rendell, um,

My brother, Delbert Africa.

My daughter was in our picture window.

My own idea? What I think?

Neighbors talking to each other.

Netta,

Nick...

No, it basically appeared to be a progressive, uh, political organization...

No, sir, I did not.

No, sir.

No, sir.

No, sir.

No, sir. When this I know a rifle, believe me.

Nobody around here has ever seen anything like this.

Not the children? How about the adults?

Now, as they're coming down, Ramona's a little bit in the front.

Now, Michael, do you know what it is to, uh to tell the truth about things?

Now, we know that John Africa is a man who can explain Jesus Christ.

Now, we know that the children wasn't doing any shooting.

Now, what will happen between now and then remains to be seen, Charles.

Now, when they did come out, I see the smaller child come out,

Now, when you go to school and you embrace that education,

Now, you say that some shooting started. Did you hear shooting?

Of course, on Mother's Day, the evacuation has been slow.

Of destroying civilized activity...

Of Michael, uh, Ward.

Of saying go to a plan that you know is going to cost human lives.

Officer Cresse, was there any indication that you were aware of...

Officer Hesson, also wounded,

Officer Trudel said, They're coming out.

Officer, we understand that you were charged in connection with that case,

Officers and firemen are wounded by gunfire.

Often running into conflicts with police.

Oh, man, and those kids and all that

Oh, my God!

Oh, my goodness.

Oh, we told We told each other.

Okay, could you just try and indicate for me what it sounded like?

Okay, Harvey. They stopped the snorkel gun now.

Okay, there is a new development at the MOVE building, 62nd and Osage.

Okay.

Okay. Steve, at this point we're being forced to leave our position.

Okay. This is unconfirmed. We've got to emphasize this is unconfirmed.

Okay. Um, the absolute truth.

Okay. What does it mean when you have to tell the truth about things?

On his knees? Was he crawling along the garage floor?

On March 28 of this year, at about 4:00 in the morning,

On May 13, 1985,

On May 20, 1977, MOVE brandished weapons...

On Memorial Day, 1984.

On the bottom of the concrete wall where the fence meets.

On the part of some policemen, residual anger...

On the unwilling majority of Americans.

Once those warrants are signed by a judge,

One of the MOVE babies, was dead.

One strategized by John Africa years and years and years ago.

Only in a democracy could they get away with what they're getting away with.

Only one time we ate raw chicken.

Only one time.

Or the threat of violence or force to achieve their objectives.

Or were there any other grown ups still in the house?

Other officers and firemen move in to pull the wounded personnel...

Other than being, uh, vocal, no, sir.

Out of the line of fire.

Over nothin' that doesn't really make any sense.

Pat, as you can see, we have reestablished our live signal.

People are people regardless of their color, their skin,

People attempting to come out of that house?

People getting hurt and killed over nothin'.

People that they think it's best that they leave.

People who have killed one person,

People who know us know that we're not terrorists.

People who threaten to shoot and kill neighbors, police, elected officials

Perhaps that was a subtle or not so subtle indication of what's happening here.

Perhaps the most frightening thing here is that police do say...

Perhaps when the cloud clears, we'll know a little bit more.

Phil,

Philadelphia and trying to continue the MOVE cult?

Philadelphia needs a strong man for a tough job.

Pieces of fire from the tree were falling down?

Police reinforcements were quickly on the scene,

Police say that they have a plan. They say it will be implemented shortly.

Possibly roaming the alleyways.

Question the person that's tellin' the lie.

Rad was.

Ramona Africa, the MOVE spokesperson in recent weeks, is in police custody tonight.

Ramona's up top.

Rarely has any community ever subjected itself...

Regardless to what it looks like,

Reporting live from 62nd and Delancey, this is Chris Wagner, Channel 6 Action News.

Responded, I don't think you can answer that.

Rhonda was going like this on his back.

Rizzo is talkin' about religious persecution.

Saying, No longer will we be beaten or intimidated by the police...

Secondly, the water increases humidity, which makes tear gas more effective.

Seeks to destroy the heritage of 1776.

She asked, isn't that against the law?

She is hysterical and is clearly upset about what's going on in there.

She lives at 6217 Osage,

She was captured outside the MOVE compound...

Shoots an estimated 1,000 gallons of water a minute.

Shortly thereafter, I received some letters...

Shotguns.

Should or should not be included in the operation for May 13, 1985?

Sir, I don't think you ever could. These were MOVE members.

Six members of MOVE were arrested,

Smoke and tear gas?

So as I understand your testimony,

So that camera can take down everything you say.

So they would not know what is in this house.

So what did you do?

So what you doin' arrogantly gaveling us down?

Some expressions of disapproval from the community.

Some MOVE members were returning from one of many sentences in the city jail.

Some of it? What did you like particularly?

Somehow an argument led to a scuffle.

Something is starting to happen.

Sometime after the massive fire broke out there this afternoon.

Sort of to regroup.

Sources reveal that Philadelphia's District Attorney has now prepared the warrants...

Sources say the purpose of the water is threefold.

Specifically involved in that altercation...

Stakeout personnel, using body shields,

SWAT teams have been converging on the area.

Take a look so I can point to the monitor here,

Taught Yale, Harvard. Conflict. War.

Than a child of Republican or Democratic parents...

That a situation had developed...

That all of our wives would be widows.

That are legally necessary to evict MOVE members from their home.

That as they were going, leaving the neighborhood,

That at approximately 6:00 on the evening of May 13,

That bunker you see there is kind of a toyish looking thing,

That feeling that we had for the sanctity of children...

That Frank then placed a pillow over your face...

That gave them complete command of the Osage Avenue,

That he beat the hell out of her.

That I will research as to whether or not there is a legal basis,

That impacted on the black community.

That is 22:00 tomorrow night.

That might suggest that they were using their children as a hostage.

That most of the people there were were black people, just ordinary black people.

That MOVE, in fact, could become a violent organization.

That revolution only meant picking up a gun and going out and murdering somebody.

That six to eight children are believed to be inside the MOVE house.

That someone was going to die.

That the mayor does not have the authority...

That the people inside of that house...

That the police would make a violent assault on the MOVE members.

That the satchel charge, or whatever the explosive or bomb...

That the system had one intention in both confrontations,

That their stated goals as a group that was a

That they would have been using any type of weapons?

That they would not surrender.

That they've been pumping water in from Pine Street are not active now.

That this might have been a dangerous device

That was a decision... to let the fire burn.

That was dropped on the MOVE compound just a few minutes ago...

That was the objective.

That water's actually being pumped in...

That we knew Birdie was hurt at this time.

That will bring a smile to your face, won't it?

That would intentionally go out there to burn those people like that.

That you felt were learned in the 1978 confrontation from your point of view?

That you in effect made a decision to use fire as a weapon in this instance?

That you were beaten until you started to vomit violently,

That, uh, the MOVE members were potentially violent?

That's correct, sir.

That's only people's, you know, hallucination...

That's the same sensation I think we all got,

That's what MOVE is about. Life. Truth. That's our religion.

That's what you're referring to.

That's why I'm asking you why you did not consider that.

The child being treated here at Children's...

The children in hand.

The city would find a way to deal with the situation.

The corruption in this system.

The effort has turned into a disaster.

The fire commissioner was still there.

The fire is now five alarm, still raging out of control as you can see.

The firing, as initiated by MOVE,

The flames are probably now leaping, um,

The gunshots are starting right now.

The impression I was left with He landed square on his head.

The members of the MOVE organization who were at the Powelton Village house...

The MOVE members are breaking up the cement of the sidewalk around their property.

The MOVE people say they weren't making a lot of noise.

The MOVE people were sitting out in front of the MOVE house,

The normal police jargon for calling the suspects to come down.

The only thing that was happening is that MOVE was taking a stand...

The police are now moving Harvey Clarke.

The police are unloading Winchester cartridge shells...

The police helicopter did go back up, and I guess

The police presence here is not like it was the last time.

The police used commendable restraint, uh, and it was done for many reasons.

The police went in about five minutes to 6:00.

The police will be in there to drag them out by the backs of their necks.

The reason why you took a machine gun back there?

The sad part of it is that this incident is not yet over.

The system. The establishment. You.

The tactical plan, as I understood it,

The tree was on fire, and the house was.

The very first thing you are taught in school is separation...

The water barrage appears to have ended again.

The water cannon used during the MOVE standoff today...

The way I describe it, it looked like he literally came through the fire.

The way someone live...

The worse dread of all was that it was going

The yellow tarp is the front of that building,

Their personal appearance has brought stares and

Their properties have just gone up in smoke.

Their religion, their race or nothin'.

Then I would say it is just as relevant for you

Then it should not be hard to imagine at all...

Then that's when we started yelling that kids coming out,

There are Catholics and Methodists, evangelists, theologians, you name it.

There are indications that what has been a tremendous gunfight is over.

There had been any order to put the fire out?

There had been much concern on the part of many people...

There is a big The fire engine has fired up again.

There may have just been a gunshot.

There must be movement somewhere in the Osage,

There was 97 court cases.

There was 141 demonstrations.

There was a board on fire there,

There was a lot of hostility between those two entities.

There was eight meetings, and there was 193 arrests.

There was so much of it that we requested that they...

There will still be misguided voices in the community...

There's a lot more water being trained on it,

There's a suspicion that some shots had come from elsewhere.

There's been talk that there are explosives in this house.

There's more gunfire right now. We're gonna crouch down.

There's no more smoke. And at this point, looking over my shoulder,

There's no one that I know of could do that.

There's only one reference, and that's life.

These are live pictures. They are looking for something there.

They can catch diseases. We can all go through the same situations.

They can put out weird things like you can hear me use profanity.

They could not understand how a people could stand there,

They get hurt.

They had demonstrated a past history of violence.

They made, in my view, a conscious decision...

They responded and put it on top of the roof.

They said that our wives would be sleeping with black men before the end of the day.

They said they wasn't used to raw food.

They told us to stay together.

They was like, Get in the house. Don't come out.

They were to be upstairs by their self when they had their meetings.

They were under blankets? Now, you said the blankets were wet.

They were using them simply as a ploy...

They were, in fact, telling the truth in the courtroom,

They weren't used to raw food and the children were used to raw food.

They will never forget that.

They're going to be taken by force if they resist.

They're obviously somewhat startled by the way that

They're still people. They can bleed. They can die.

Thirdly, the powerful water pressure could cause the house to collapse.

This apparently has expanded...

This can be a weapon.

This is a blue collar neighborhood.

This is a highway patrol car racing into the scene.

This is being handled almost entirely by the stakeout unit.

This is MOVE, the people in an organization that admits to being totally revolutionary.

This is the result of officer Tursi saying be careful.

This police department in Philadelphia could invade Cuba and win.

This will conclude this deposition of testimony...

This woman is now being taken into police custody.

Thousands of rounds spun off.

To a public self appraisal...

To a residence occupied by members of an organization called MOVE.

To aggravate residents to the point was that the residents would, in fact,

To ask me...

To ask Wilson Goode when he comes in here,

To be a child or a neighbor or a bystander.

To be some water coming in.

To deal with them in any rational basis...

To either kill MOVE people or to put us in prison as long as possible.

To eliminate that high ground advantage and the tactical advantage of the bunker.

To engage in confrontation or to engage in compromise.

To get away from the things that caused me to wanna revolt.

To have killed all of the 12 people in that basement.

To include the entire square block.

To learn what law was.

To make those people come out of the house.

To simply go in and evict the people from their house.

To sit down and try to iron it out...

To the people inside that house, is that correct?

To use in a residential neighborhood?

To your knowledge, did any of the members of the

Today, more than three dozen Philadelphia policemen surrounded the building...

Tomaso and Melissa,

Tonight, there are growing concerns about the controversial group, MOVE.

Towards MOVE organization or members thereof.

Trash piles up at the curbline.

Tree,